Indie needs more rawk, rap is good

I just finished listening to Fleet Foxes by Fleet Foxes for the first time, and I must admit I don't get it. I don't get it in the same way I didn't get Joanna Newsom's Y's...seems to me like self-indulgent shlock with too many pretty sleepy noises, broad (signifying nothing) lyrics... Rural aesthetic? Yeah okay, but I can drive my car thirty miles out and get better nature (then again, considering gas prices...) Anyway, considering how everyone has splugged all over this, I'd love it if someone would explain to me what's going on.

On the bright side, someone remembers how to rawk, and his name is Craig Finn...and his band mates aren't so bad either. A question for Hold Steady fans everywhere: can Stay Positive possibly be as good as Separation Sunday or Boys and Girls in America? Well! - maybe? It resembles the former more - complex stories and more noises, but it could have used the concise power of BGA. There are no songs as powerful as "Stuck Between Stations" or "Hot Soft Light. " Luckily, the overall record is strong, and they retain a nack for hilarious stories ("Sequestered in Memphis," "One for the Cutters") and little tragedies ("Lord I'm Discouraged"). I'll go w/ - 18/20.

Final point - rap is good, specifically: Lil' Wanye's Tha Carter 3 and The Root's Rising Down.